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The Bleach Team vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: May 15 2016, 09:48 PM (2,756 Views)
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How far would Everyone and Everything in the Bleach Franchise as One Big Team make it in Dragon Ball, Z, GT, and Super?
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Should clear Z with their hax not sure how far they'd get in the others some of their powers are pretty damn OP like Gerard who gets stronger and stronger the more he gets damaged.

Then there's Gremmy who could create space around all but the aliens and make them suffocate and get damaged by the pressure.

Rose would be able to do tons of damage too since he has an illusionary ability that makes people's bodies damage themselves so there's no real limit to who he can damage, unless there are some deaf characters around.

Yamamoto's Bankai would be pretty devastating too but it'd kill a lot of the Bleach characters as well.


EDIT yeah I think they could clear Z fairly easily and then they stop like half way through GT and Super. Doubt they'd be able to kill someone like Nuova Shenron.
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At very best if you focus only on high end then they still stop at when Goku returns from KK. Hax don't matter here because it was explicitly stated in Bleach that if you lose that Reaitsu battle largely enough then hax abilities like Gremmy's are irrelevant.

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May 15 2016, 11:09 PM
At very best if you focus only on high end then they still stop at when Goku returns from KK. Hax don't matter here because it was explicitly stated in Bleach that if you lose that Reaitsu battle largely enough then hax abilities like Gremmy's are irrelevant.
That's not what it was though Aizen just transcended Shinigami and was above their power it wasn't in terms of raw strength. Dude was half way to becoming a God and then Ichigo is a main character so he does it too.
The fact that it's never happened again is testament to it working like that, unless it's just been retconned which is probably more likely even.


If that was the case nothing Gremmy did should have affected Kenpachi since he was already way more powerful than him. Gremmy couldn't even imagine how powerful Kenpachi was.
And Gerard right now should be basically invincible yet even Hitsugaya is able to damage him slightly. And clearly the whole group that are there are going to do some bulls*** to beat him despite all being weaksauce in comparison.

In any case that wouldn't counter illusionary abilities at all you can't overcome an illusion by being tough. Nor would that stop any poison based powers or anything that isn't energy based in nature. Shinji's Shikai, Shunsui's Bankai, Rose's Bankai and Mayuri's Bankai would be deadly here.

Also to their advantage they'd be overflowing with energy so it'd be abundantly clear they have power within them, meaning most DBZ characters would just let them power up.
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If that was the case nothing Gremmy did should have affected Kenpachi since he was already way more powerful than him. Gremmy couldn't even imagine how powerful Kenpachi was.

You're oversimplifying it but I guess I worded it badly.

In theory Gremmy should be unstoppable because reality warping. But if the Reitsau difference is big enough it counteracts his imagination power. Sheer force can defeat the strongest hax in Bleach. It takes time depending on how large the difference is but it does happen.

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high tiers stop at buu
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The entire Gremmy thing is so full of s*** its a miracle really. You have a guy who is literally in all senses of a the word, a reality warper. Like, straight up reality warping, can turn bones into cookie, can open up holes into space, can automatically kill people just by imagining it...and he's done all of it. And when it comes to Kenpachi, it's not like his powers never affected him. He can somehow chuck him straight into space and goodness I'm not even sure how Kenpachi got out of that.

But then he starts going completely physical, throwing out just missiles and meteors. While this might be nice on a purely destructive scale, its nowhere near the same scale of being able to control reality and everything around it. Like apparently his greatest ability is to make two of himself and then double his imagination. Ignoring the asinine piece of crap reason that is, apparently his greatest attack is to just chuck a meteor on Seretei.

And then he loses because when he tries to copy Kenpachi's strength, his physical body can't handle it. He simply wasn't prepared for the amount of strength Kenpachi had and didn't cope his body for it. Fair enough there, but then we find out that Kenpachi was never even fighting the real Gremmy. He was fighting an imagination of him.

At this point, I'm not sure what stops Gremmy from just, popping up new imaginations. His brain is still intact and he makes it clear that in the end, Kenpachi was only fighting an imagination. But instead he farts loudly I guess and just decides to die. Gremmy had the ability to not only create life, but instill entire powers into them. He had the Visionary I think it was called...though I'm not if that was his title. It was the old person Yachiru fought, someone who could literally erase their existence from a person's mind.

Gremmy was, by and far, the most broken character in Bleach...and honestly he may stay that way. And its painfully clear that Kubo, being that kind of writer he is, created an overpowered, broken character without any real reason to take care of him and basically had to heavily nerf him to give the others a fighting chance.

And while were at it, let's be honest, the whole "Stronger Reitsu cuts off weaker Reitsu" thing probably got retconned a while ago. You put enough strength behind your attack and you'll do something. But even if that was the case still, Bleach isn't winning this because of their blades and stuff. Their winning because they have a lot of hax attacks.

Hachi himself can seemingly teleport things into other people. Unless you have regeneration, Hachi can practically solo the entire series.

Barragan's Respira effects the time of things, unless you can regenerate and/or have an eternal life, Barragan can pretty much solo most of the series himself.

Yamamoto's bankai literally gives him the power of the sun. He walks around and everyone in the DBZverse dies by being close to him.

Aizen can manipulate all five senses and has enough power with Hado 90 that he can literally distort the fabrics of space itself. I mean that's some pretty hardcore stuff there.

Now to be fair, a lot of characters in Bleach even those above probably aren't going to storm in and take everyone down, they may even all lose. But there are many characters in Bleach that, just have those absurd powers that can give the DBZverse a lot of trouble. Those singular abilities that aren't necessarily about sheer power but go beyond that.
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Dragon ball they should clear. Z...ehhh they're probably too strong for bleach. There's only like a few characters that may give them trouble. GT and super? Nope
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Barragan's Respira effects the time of things, unless you can regenerate and/or have an eternal life, Barragan can pretty much solo most of the series himself.

Yamamoto's bankai literally gives him the power of the sun. He walks around and everyone in the DBZverse dies by being close to him.

Aizen can manipulate all five senses and has enough power with Hado 90 that he can literally distort the fabrics of space itself. I mean that's some pretty hardcore stuff there.

Now to be fair, a lot of characters in Bleach even those above probably aren't going to storm in and take everyone down, they may even all lose. But there are many characters in Bleach that, just have those absurd powers that can give the DBZverse a lot of trouble. Those singular abilities that aren't necessarily about sheer power but go beyond that.
Oh good lord why did I just completely forget the Arrancar? :rofl:

Yeah Barragan should solo really his power just decays everything it's doubtful anyone would get a hit in.
The only people who have a chance at beating him are probably the likes of Buu since so far as we can tell he'd just live forever and the Gods.


The best thing Bleach has in it's arsenal is physics/science really, it's not all about metaphysical energy vs metaphysical energy they can create and do things that there's no real escape from.
Dragon Ball annihilates their energy projections more often than not but it has nothing on scientific fact.
Like if Rukia gets anyone with her Bankai, aside from maybe oddballs like Buu they're dead. Nothing survives absolute zero, the point where all matter(so far as we know) just stops. You can't beat that with muscle.


Also if Juha can create such a broken character in the form of Gremmy and his own power is "The Almighty" he's probably pretty damn broken himself. So far it seems like only Ichigo is unaffected by it, probably due to his highly unique mix of energies or other such nonsense. Most probably the power of main character though.
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Room of Spirit and Time has temperature ranging from I quote from DBZ wiki, "The temperature in the training area fluctuates rapidly, ranging between -40 °F (-40 °C) and 122 °F (50 °C)."

Rukia's Bankai shouldn't do much at least to Cell Games level fighters with the weakest being Piccolo.
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There's a big difference between 40C and −273.15C which is the temperature of Absolute Zero.

Of course the thing with Absolute Zero is that, this isn't just the idea of things become really cold. It's the point where atomic structure just ceases to move. Once you've hit Absolute Zero, that's the point where your atoms pretty much stop. Someone like Majin Boo whose body clearly doesn't obey the usual laws of physics may not have the same effect. But if someone like Piccolo, Goku or even Vegetto was struck by Absolute Zero temperature, they'd ultiamtely be reduced to an immovable state because their entire atomic structure has just been frozen.

This doesn't really mean Rukia can just one shot everyone as it probably takes time for the temperatures to drop that low and the fighters can ultimately react at some point before Absolute Zero hits. But the overall point I'm making is that with perhaps some arguable exception, people in DBZ are not tanking or surviving Absolute Zero temperatures.
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And then he loses because when he tries to copy Kenpachi's strength, his physical body can't handle it. He simply wasn't prepared for the amount of strength Kenpachi had and didn't cope his body for it. Fair enough there, but then we find out that Kenpachi was never even fighting the real Gremmy. He was fighting an imagination of him.

At this point, I'm not sure what stops Gremmy from just, popping up new imaginations. His brain is still intact and he makes it clear that in the end, Kenpachi was only fighting an imagination. But instead he farts loudly I guess and just decides to die. Gremmy had the ability to not only create life, but instill entire powers into them. He had the Visionary I think it was called...though I'm not if that was his title. It was the old person Yachiru fought, someone who could literally erase their existence from a person's mind.

The problem is that his imagination is limited by his own Reaitsu to some extent. Aizen did say that a battle between Shiginami is a battle between Reaitsu. It wasn't just some made up statement and it explains most of the series rather than resorting to "PIS" as the explanation for much of the series. And it's the reason why Gremmy didn't make Kenpachi into a cookie to prevent himself from dying.

The only want for Gremmy to compete with Kenpachi was trying to match his strength. That didn't work, so he died.

Even Barragan, who has the next best hax in the entire series was defeated by the massive difference in Reiatsu between him and Aizen. Aizen didn't have any of the convenient powers that were needed to defeat him. It was pure power vs absurd hax, as even described by Barragan himself.

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"I am the bone of my sword."

But Gremmy never attempts it. Greemy as far as he's concerned, believes he's the strongest thing in the world and that his power is basically unstoppable. Kenpachi was literally the first person to ever give him a challenge I believe. He never even attempts to try his real reality warping powers like he did before on Kenpachi, opting instead for just a straight physical approach.

And the thing is, even if his reality warping powers can't work on Kenpachi directly, Gremmy never tries to utilize his powers in the same way as he did before. He never creates a whole new life with brand new powers like he did with the Vanishing Point (That was was the person's name). He never attempts to use that nigh invincible imagination to create I don't know...a gun that shoots bullets hotter than the sun.

The basic point being that, Gremmy's power and imagination was seemingly limited only to how far his imagination could go and that what regardless of what he imagines, his own physical capabilities had to match up with it. You had a very broken character and in the end, he was not utilized to his full capabilities. Then again, once you have someone as broken as Gremmy to defeat.

You either got to heavily nerf him, or you've got to get a character out that is every bit as broken and haxed as he is.

I mean how much limit does his Reitsu have. Because even without effecting other people, he was opening up space, firing off multiple missiles, dropping giant meteors and probably one of his best feats, The Vanishing Point. He literally creates an entire new life, soul, body, with a mind of it sown. That's one of the most insane things to come out of this series.

So I have to ask, where is the limit to this...absurd power of his. The manga seems to at least make the point that despite how powerful Gremm's ability may be, he has to take into account all the possibilities of how that power will react. For example let's say he created a giant gun that shot things. Fair enough, but if he doesn't have a way to deal with the massive recoil of it, he may find himself facing difficulties. That was apparently the problem here with Kenpachi. He could easily copy his powers but he never thought to deal with his own body and the fact that it would tear him apart.
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And on Barragan. Does Aizen ever face Respira at all? I mean we know Aizen pretty much wrecks Barragan when he first arrives at Hueco Mundo. But doe she ever actually get into a position where Respira doesn't effect him? I infer that even if Barragan did try something, Aizen's hax illusions would keep him safe and once Barragan drops his guard its over. It's not like Barragan just walks around spitting up Respira.
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Yeah I can't imagine Aizen just tanked Barragan's ability.

If Barragan used it at all Aizen's illusions were probably found to just be eternal(so long as Aizen lives I'd imagine)

If Aizen stayed away he could just toy with him.

That or he just beat Barragan before he had a chance to do anything.


Also I forget but didn't Aizen make the Arrancar more powerful? Not sure if he made them all more powerful but some of them, could be that Barragan wasn't as strong initially.
I feel like it was stated somewhere that Barragan or someone else didn't take any help though, been years since I watched that arc...


Anyway I think the whole Reishi nulling thing has been retconned really. Stands to reason that if one were vastly more powerful than another then the weakest person shouldn't be able to do anything.
So what business does Orihime have being able to heal Ichigo at this point? He could probably kill her with some misplaced flatulence. His power should be untouchable either way.
Aizen was straight up erasing people from existence by being near them, Ichigo seems like he may even be approaching is Dangai self currently.

Although let's be real here Orihime is only there to get hurt or injured so Ichigo powers up :rofl:
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Also, was it ever explained what happened to Gremmy at the end? We know int he end, he was never facing Gremmy, he was facing the imagination created by his brain and we see the brain at the end. Then it's just like...the brain decides to vanish or something. Was it ever noted that by destroying the physical body that he imagined, it ended up destroying the real brain creating it as well?

Because if it wasn't...again...more BS on Gremmy there.
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